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MessaggioInviato: dom mar 28, 2004 12:42 am 
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notizie fresche da un portale libanese: http://www.terra.net.lb/wp/Articles/Des ... hannelId=1

Arab reform plan opposed by Syrian, Lebanese, Palestinian ministers
March 27, 200
Foreign ministers from Syria and Lebanon, along with their Palestinian counterpart, maintained their opposition late Friday to an Arab reform document discussed earlier in the day here at a pre-summit ministerial meeting, an Arab official said.

" The head of the Palestine Liberation Organization political department, Faruq Kaddumi, rejected an Eguptian-Jordanian document on reform in the Middle East, arguing that as the two countries have signed peace treaties with Israel they have lost their right to present such initiatives," the official said, asking not to be named.

The proposal was discussed at a meeting earlier in the day of Arab foreign ministers -- described by one delegate as occasionally " stormy" -- called to prepare for a two-day Arab summit starting here Monday
Backed by the foreign ministers of Syria and Lebanon, Faruq al-Shara and Jean Obeid, Kaddumi insisted that " only the Palestinians, Syria and Lebanon are entitled to present a reform initiative," the official said.

The ministerial meeting was continuing late Friday and should eventually see the adoption of the reform document, he continued, while adding that " the task will not be easy."

Jordan put forward its ideas on political and social reform in the Arab world at a meeting in Cairo in early March but later withdrew the proposals, which were then incorporated into an Egyptian draft.

An Arab official earlier reported that Syria and Lebanon had insisted that the priority at the summit should be the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Another Arab official here said that the Egyptian reform document " mentions all basic freedoms -- women' s rights, civil liberties, legal reform, economic modernization and the promotion of knowledge."

Added another delegate: " The summit would leave it up to each country to implement the reforms at its own pace.

" Even if it' s just words, the fact that an Arab summit adopted a reform plan would change the general climate."


in poche parole i delegati di Siria, Libano e Palestina si oppongono al documento Egitto/Giordano sulla riforma del medioriente (tra le altre:diritto alle donne, libertà civili, modernizzazione economica ecc), ovviamente il documento lascerebbe ad ogni paese la "libertà" di implementare le riforme....con il proprio passo ma se il documento fosse adottato da tutti sarebbe un cambiamento nel clima

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altre notizie ..sempre su sto fatto e più aggiornate su haaretz

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/409242.html

Arab FMs postone summit, agree to fund PA for next 6 months


TUNIS - A summit of Arab leaders due to begin next week was postponed late Saturday because of disagreements, officials said.


Spokesman for the Tunisian foreign Ministry, Hatem bin Salem, told reporters "there are disagreements."

A preliminary meeting of Arab foreign ministers revealed deep differences over a peace initiative and proposals for political reforms in the region.

In a statement issued late Saturday, the Tunisian Foreign Ministry acknowledged the "existence of difference of views" regarding issues "of great importance to the process of development, modernization and reform in our Arab countries."

"Tunisia strongly regrets the postponement of this summit on which Arab and international opinion has pinned great hopes considering the delicate situation through which the Arab nation is going and the deadlock of the Palestinian issue after the recent tragic events."

Arab leaders had hoped to use the conference, which was to begin Monday, to relaunch a peace initiative to Israel, and to submit their own proposals for political reforms.

However, the Monday assassination of Hamas founder Sheik Ahmed Yassin provoked widespread outrage in the Arab world, making it politically risky to pursue a peace initiative......[cut]


mentre il The Jerusalem Post è ancora più chiaro...

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite? ... 0372229256

Arab League summit postponed indefinitely

Tunisia late Saturday abruptly and indefinitely postponed the Arab summit, which had been scheduled to open Monday here, after Arab
officials in preparatory meetings failed to reach even a preliminary consensus on an Arab political reform plan, officials said late Saturday.

"They had differences on the reforms and on the American initiative for the Greater Middle East so the Tunisians were fed up with those Arab
differences and they declared that they cancelled the Arab summit," said one source in Tunis.

The Tunisian Foreign Ministry released a statement saying, "Arab foreign ministers examined during their preparatory meetings for the summit-the draft of the agenda of the summit and draft resolutions to be submitted to the summit, including in particular the document entitled 'Document for Commitment, Consensus and Solidarity.'

"During the debate over the different drafts...there were differences apparent concerning certain amendments and proposals presented by Tunisia and related to questions it sees as fundamental and strategic for the process of reform and modernization of the Arab countries; proposals that aimed at accelerating democratization, furthering human rights and the status of women and the role of civil society."

"Tunisia expresses its deep regrets for the postponement of the summit, on which international, Arab public opinion had pinned great hopes at this critical juncture in the Arab world, and during the impasse in which the Palestinian cause finds itself, particularly after the tragic events of recent days," the statement added in reference to Israel's killing last week of Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin.

Arab officials had struggled over the weekend here to find common ground for a political reform initiative that could be issued at the end
of summit.






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e intanto bush e sharon si incontrano il 14 di aprile..sharon dovrebbe annunciare il "piano di evacuazione unilaterale dai teritori di gaza (scritto qua http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/408655.html)


insomma non è successo niente siamo sempre fermi li
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Cosa ti aspettavi, che una congrega di pazzi furiosi quali sono i capi che soffiano sul braciere mediorientale rinsavisse in così poco tempo ?. Illuso, fino a che Arafat vede morire gli altri e Sharon pure continueranno a fare ciò che hanno sempre fatto in barba agli interessi dei loro popoli.

Ti pare che il terrorismo faccia gli interessi dei Palestinesi o che le rappresaglie, io concordo con le eliminazioni mirate perchè evitano di spargere o almeno lo fanno in modo limitato, sangue di chi non c'entra nulla, siano conformi all'interesse degli israeliani ?, io penso proprio di no e penso che entrambi i popoli avrebbero interesse al vivere in pace ma troppi interessi contrastano con questo ed allora il mecello continua e continuerà fino a che i due popoli non si domanderanno perchè seriamente ed allora prenderanno i loro caporioni e li impaleranno da qualche parte tutti assieme. Quel giorno, forse solo un sogno, si aprirà la porta della pace in palestina.

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P.S, Ma ti pare che Arafat rinunci ai soldi che gli arrivano, europa in testa, da tutto il mondo o che le lobbys ebraiche di israele rinuncino a quelli che arrivano a loro così facilmente ed a così, per loro, buon mercato ?.
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personalmente non la vedo soltanto come questione di soldi, anche se sicuramente hanno grande importanza...comunque non tutti i capi sono pazzi furiosi...c'è tanto da fare e non si risolve con una baccheta magica o in pochi giorni, l'importante comunque è spingere per il cambiamento, senza però estremizzare le proprie posizioni o diventare troppo aggresivi..al muro contro muro insomma..va da se che non bisogna essere ingenui..
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un paio di link dove si phttp://www.terra.net.lb/wp/Articles/De ... elId=1arla del summit spostato del medioriente
il primo di terra che da quel che ho letto è abbastanza schierato.antimericano ecc
uno del bahrein http://www.bahraintribune.com/ArticleDetail.asp
e uno egizziano http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2004/683/fr3.htm

news dal afganistan le elezioni ..che come d'accordo si dovevano tenere a giugno sono state orami spostate a settembre...............speriamo che non ci siano casini..causati da questo spostamento..intanto ci sono i soliti problemi di sicurezza e di soldi..c'è ne sono troppo pochi e ne servono molti di più..se no la situazione non si sblocca

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtm ... ID=4678877

Afghans to Vote in September; Security a Worry

KABUL (Reuters) - Afghanistan's presidential and parliamentary elections, originally planned for June, will be in September, President Hamid Karzai said Sunday, as fresh attacks underlined the security worries behind the delay.

Announcing the agreement on September elections on the eve of a trip to Berlin for an aid donors' conference, Karzai said security for the election, the first since the overthrow of the Taliban, would be a key issue at the meeting.

As he spoke, news was reaching Kabul from a remote central province of a Taliban raid that killed at least two soldiers, while blasts in a southeastern town killed a suicide bomber and wounded six people.

The decision on September polls came after the United Nations said both elections could not be held in June, as outlined in an international agreement that brought Karzai to power in late 2001.

Instead, the United Nations and Afghan election authorities had recommended both elections be held in September.

"They said that they can hold the presidential and parliamentary elections simultaneously, which was the wish of all of us," Karzai told reporters.

"Therefore, they have proposed the dates of late Mizan (early September) and Sunbola (mid September) and we have agreed with them and said that it is OK," he said.

The timing of the election is important as analysts believe President Bush is looking for a foreign policy success ahead of his own re-election bid in November.

Under the 2001 Bonn agreement that led to the establishment of Karzai's government, elections were seen in June, but the United Nations says only 1.46 million voters were registered by March 15, far short of the target of 10.5 million.

Poor security is a main reason for the slow registration.

Security worries were heightened by recent fighting between pro-government factions in the western city of Herat, until then considered one of the most peaceful parts of the country.
U.N. Special Representative Jean Arnault welcomed the new date. "The decision, indeed, is going to make, I think, everybody's life much easier," he told reporters.
Much hard work had to be done over the next months and a disarmament program, aiming to demobilize 40,000 irregular fighters before the election, would be a help, he said.

A DISTRACTION?

The Taliban, driven from power by U.S.-led forces in 2001, have threatened to disrupt the polls. More than 600 people have been killed in militant-related violence since August.

A Taliban spokesman said in a statement late Saturday a delay in the elections was an embarrassment for the United States and Karzai, and the election was aimed at distracting Afghans from jihad, or Muslim holy war.

The United States is adding about 2,000 Marines to the 13,500-strong U.S.-led foreign force in Afghanistan to intensify the hunt for al Qaeda and Taliban fugitives and boost security.

In the latest violence, Taliban fighters raided an army post in the central Uruzgan province killing two soldiers, an official said. Three soldiers were wounded and 10 were missing.

A Taliban spokesman said 11 soldiers had been killed.

In a separate incident, a suicide bomber trying to attack a military base in the southeastern town of Khost was killed on Saturday when his bomb exploded prematurely, a commander said.

Six civilians were hurt in a rocket attack on a restaurant near the town's airport, where U.S. forces are based. In a third attack in Khost Saturday, three grenades were thrown at homes of soldiers, some working with U.S. forces. No one was hurt.

Karzai declined to say how much aid the government would seek in Berlin but Finance Minister Ashraf Ghani Ahmadzai has said the country needs about $27 billion over the next seven years. Donors meeting in Tokyo in 2002 pledged $5.4 billion.
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Forse hai ragione, sono troppo cinico e sfiduciato ma, se ci pensi bene, il comportamento della ns. specie offre un sacco di motivi per esserlo.

Ciao
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tutti a pensare al iraq ma anche in afganistan non se la passano bene

Un potente signore della guerra di etnia uzbeka, Abdul Rashid Dostum, ha invaso la città di Maymana, capoluogo della provincia di Faryab a nord-ovest di Kabul. Il governatore nominato da Karzai è fuggito in aereo.

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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u ... fighting_9
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dostum non era un "nostro" alleato?
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sembra che si avvicini un governo ANP HAMAS a GAZA...siamo messi bene http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/414639.html
http://mail.jmcc.org/new/04/apr/hamas.htm

Spokesmen for Hamas and the Palestinian Authority (PA) say they have made a great deal of progress toward setting up a new administrative mechanism in the Gaza Strip for after an Israeli withdrawal. During the talks between the PA and Hamas, Mohammed Dahlan, who is in charge of negotiations for the PA, proposed setting up a Gaza action committee that would be affiliated to the PA. Representatives of Hamas demanded that their people be included in the security apparatus to be set up in Gaza together with the new administrative mechanism. Hamas spokesmen now have a new slogan: "We are partners in blood - let us be partners in decision-making too."(...)
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